Walls & Ceilings logo
search
cart
facebook twitter linkedin youtube youtube Spotify Podcasts Apple Podcasts Spotify Podcasts Apple Podcasts
  • Sign In
  • Create Account
  • Sign Out
  • My Account
Walls & Ceilings logo
  • NEWS
  • TOPICS
    • Drywall
    • Stucco/EIFS
    • Ceilings
    • Steel Framing
    • Fireproofing
    • Interior Plaster
    • Building Envelope
    • Insulation
    • Technology
    • Interior
    • Exterior
    • Women In Construction
  • COLUMNS
    • Up Front
    • All Things Gypsum
    • Art & Craft of Plastering
    • Stucco Stop
    • Steel Deal
    • Industry Voices
  • PRODUCTS
    • Buzz Guide
  • EVENTS
    • Industry Events
    • Webinars
    • BUILD Expo
  • MEDIA
    • Videos
    • Podcasts
    • Photo Galleries
    • BUILD26 Videos
    • Take our Quiz!
    • Infographics
  • EXCLUSIVE
    • Newsletters
    • Top 50 Contractors
    • Contractor of the Year
    • State of the Industry
    • W&C Store
    • Market Research
    • CEUs
    • Sponsor Insights
    • Custom Content & Marketing Services
  • DIRECTORY
  • EMAGAZINE
    • eMagazine
    • Advertise
    • Archive Issues
  • SIGN UP!
Columns

Up Front: What does your Bid look Like?

By Mark Fowler
October 4, 2007


Contractors can spend a lot of time estimating square footage, going over the numbers and double-checking quantities and measurements to make sure they don’t miss a thing. They shop for the best prices on materials and push their crews to perform. I am amazed that with all that effort, most subcontractors have basic and simplistic bid forms.

Bidding is something every contractor does. Someone asks for an estimate on work, and you provide them a dollar figure with the explanation of what you will and won’t do. Some bids can be as simple as a verbal exchange and a handshake, while others can be quite complex, listing several options, alternatives and limitations. But no matter how simple and basic the bid, I think wall and ceiling contractors would benefit from a custom bid form tailored to their business.

SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKS

I have been a subcontractor and provided many bids on a variety of projects. My family started the contracting business years before I was born. I was fortunate to have the benefit of customized bid forms. These bid forms did not happen overnight; they were the resulting product of wisdom gained from years of being in business. Isn’t it true that we tend to learn from our mistakes better than someone simply warning us? Teenagers and new contractors are the same; they have to experience it for themselves to believe it. You try to warn them, help them and advise them. It seems to all be in vain. “You don’t understand, that was in your day” and they tune you out. I have tried to advise young contractors in the past and it feels like talking to my teenage son. They have to learn the hard way. I hope this advice may help someone.

I am not a subcontractor anymore. I now receive and review bids for projects, some are pretty big numbers, some are not. The one thing I am waiting to see is a subcontractor’s bid form like what my family’s business had.

WHAT SHOULD A BID LOOK LIKE?

The bid form I think that subcontractors should have is something with an addendum on the backside that explains the site conditions that you anticipate. Over the years in business, you should start to learn a thing or two and protect yourself, beginning with a well-designed bid form. For example, consider the issue of needing to have water available to your crew on the job site. You may laugh at the unlikely prospect of being without water, but it has happened to me and will certainly happen to others. What happens if your crew shows up and there is no water to mix materials or clean with. The general contractor informs you that getting water is your problem. He further informs you that he will start the fines if you are not completed on schedule. “Yeah, yeah,” you are thinking. “My general contractors are not like that!” Well good for you right now, but someday you will run into this guy and that is when you will need all the help you can get. I had a clause on my bid form that the quoted prices were predicated on 21 items listed on the back of the bid form.

Another example is “tolerance of work.” When someone brings out the level or straight edge and starts checking walls for plumb and square, you may be in for a fight. The architect’s specifications may have tolerances that your estimator overlooked and he/she will most likely have tolerances more stringent than what is considered a recognized industry standard. The fight just got uglier and you are in trouble. How does the saying go: “You don’t bring a knife to a gunfight”? Except your problem now is that you don’t even have a knife! State the tolerance level that you can achieve in your bid and base your prices on these tolerance levels. The architect or owner may argue with you, but you will have some back-up if it goes to litigation.

Review your bid and estimate forms. Make notes after completing a project for addendum items that should be added to the back of the bid proposal. One strong item is a clause on the front stating, “The prices quoted herein are based on addendum notes on the back of our estimate and shall be considered part of the contract.” One final caveat is to make the addendum items fair. Arbitrators and mediation experts try to be fair; pulling a fast one will likely put you in a poor light and the decision will likely go against you. But if your items are fair, the mediator will recognize that and likely rule in your favor.

Share This Story

Looking for a reprint of this article?
From high-res PDFs to custom plaques, order your copy today!

Headshots fowler

Mark Fowler joined Walls & Ceilings as editorial director in 2006. Fowler grew up in the construction business and has held a number of positions in different companies and associations. He spent 11 years with the Northwest Wall and Ceiling Bureau before moving to his position with Soltner Group Architects in Seattle. Fowler is currently the executive director of the Stucco Manufacturers Association. He can be reached at Mark@markfowler.org.

 

Recommended Content

JOIN TODAY
To unlock your recommendations.

Already have an account? Sign In

  • Abercrombie & Fitch

    EIFS in 2026: How Specialty Finishes Are Redefining Exterior Wall Systems

    As building codes, owner expectations, and design demands...
    Stucco/EIFS
    By: Regi Mendoza
  • proper air and vapor control

    From Energy Efficiency to Moisture Management: Why Air and Vapor Control Matter

    How proper air and vapor control within building...
    Building Envelope
    By: Benjamin Meyer AIA, LEED AP
  • Linear Metal Ceiling Beam Baffles

    Top 25 Ceiling Contractors of 2026

    Suspended ceilings demand precision, code compliance and...
    Ceilings
    By: John Wyatt and Tanja Kern
You must login or register in order to post a comment.

Report Abusive Comment

Manage My Account
  • eMagazine Subscription
  • Newsletters
  • Online Registration
  • Manage My Preferences
  • Subscription Customer Service

More Videos

Sponsored Content

Sponsored Content is a special paid section where industry companies provide high quality, objective, non-commercial content around topics of interest to the Walls & Ceilings audience. All Sponsored Content is supplied by the advertising company and any opinions expressed in this article are those of the author and not necessarily reflect the views of Walls & Ceilings or its parent company, BNP Media. Interested in participating in our Sponsored Content section? Contact your local rep!

close
  • medical professionals moving a patient on a stretcher through the halls of a medical building
    Sponsored byNational Gypsum Company

    What Does High Performance Mean When It Comes To Gypsum Boards?

Popular Stories

Linear Metal Ceiling Beam Baffles

Top 25 Ceiling Contractors of 2026

Wichita Biomedical Campus

Wichita Drywall Worker Dies After Scaffolding Fall

QXO Just Changed the Game-Here's What Contractors Are Asking

QXO Just Changed the Game-Here's What Contractors Are Asking

Less compound

Joint Compound Market to Reach $9.7B by 2033

Events

June 24, 2026

The Bright Side & Benefits of Designing with Integrated Lighting

Credits 1 AIA LU/HSW; 0.1 ICC CEU

This course will explore the pivotal role architects and lighting design play in creating safer, more sustainable spaces. Learn how to avoid common lighting mistakes and make informed decisions that create the best visual environment for occupants. 

January 1, 2030

Webinar Sponsorship Information

For webinar sponsorship information, visit www.bnpevents.com/webinars or email webinars@bnpmedia.com.

See our full library of webinars

View All Submit An Event

Products

2026 National Painting Cost Estimator

2026 National Painting Cost Estimator

See More Products

Related Articles

  • What does the Future of Construction Look Like?

    See More
  • Up Front: What Side of the fence are you on?

    See More
  • Up Front: What is Architecture?

    See More

Related Products

See More Products
  • business.png

    How to Succeed With Your Own Construction Business

See More Products
×

Connect with the industry’s leading resource for unparalleled insights and education.

Join thousands of industry professionals today. Shouldn’t you know what they know?

JOIN NOW
  • RESOURCES
    • Advertise
    • Contact Us
    • Directories
    • Store
    • Want More
  • SIGN UP TODAY
    • Create Account
    • eMagazine
    • Newsletters
    • Customer Service
    • Manage Preferences
  • SERVICES
    • Marketing Services
    • Reprints
    • Market Research
    • List Rental
    • Survey/Respondent Access
  • STAY CONNECTED
    • LinkedIn
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • YouTube
    • X
  • PRIVACY
    • PRIVACY POLICY
    • TERMS & CONDITIONS
    • DO NOT SELL MY PERSONAL INFORMATION
    • PRIVACY REQUEST
    • ACCESSIBILITY

Copyright ©2026. All Rights Reserved BNP Media, Inc. and BNP Media II, LLC.

Design, CMS, Hosting & Web Development :: ePublishing