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Video: How to Address Fraud and Slow Money

Thea Dudley chats with Jill Bloom about payment portals, fraud targets, best practices in debt collection and other methods to address fraud and tardy customers.

By John Wyatt, Editor, Thea Dudley, Jill Bloom, Executive Director, Walls & Ceilings
September 23, 2024

Thea Dudley, CEO of Pocket Protectors, speaks with W&C Group Publisher Jill Bloom regarding the bummer issues of fraud and slow money. Dudley, no stranger to W&C’s readers and known throughout the industry as “The Credit Overlord” discusses two distinct issues that challenge those in the industry now: fraud and slow money. So, in the realm of credit, these two issues are a massive concern among contractors, builders, subcontractors, dealers/distributors and more.

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How to Address Fraud and Slow Money

Thea Dudley chats with Jill Bloom about payment portals, fraud targets, best practices in debt collection and other methods to address fraud and tardy customers.

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The two issues shaping the landscape now, as Dudley mentions, are fraud and slow money with fraud being outlined first.

Fraud has been a challenge for a while now but Credit Safe (a credit reporting company) just put out a report that states that 41 percent of businesses across the country have been “hit” at least seven times by some type of fraud issue. The biggies are:

  • Check theft: Check washing, trying to intercept a check;
  • Emails: Monies directed towards bank accounts, someone sending you an email that looks legitimate, and probably the worst is;
  • Fake Vendors and Invoices: In 2023, it was the worst type of fraud happening and continues on this year.

The best way to counteract these things is online payment portals. If you have not bit the bullet and gotten an online payment portal (eliminate the post office as much as you can), even lock boxes, which used to be everyone’s go-to, for the check to get to the lock box is still has to go through the post office. So the best way for you to do this is find a way to do it online, Dudley says. There are so many options.

For the other two issues (emails and fake vendors) targeted companies really need to slow down and really look at your emails. One of the clues that you can find is always in the “from” senders—look who it’s coming from. There’s always going to be some inconsistencies, and typos in the message usually can be a clue. Really pay attention to those invoices and if something sounds off, take extra note and carefully read the message. Take an extra minute, proof the email carefully, make a phone call—these things will help your sense if it seems not right.

“In the past, it was easy to spot these emails but the language and grammar was so bad. But now, they’re getting slick,” Dudley says.

The second thing we’re going to talk about is slow money. Payments have continued to slow. It’s been a problem this whole year and it’s now really culminating.

Does it happen more in an election year?

“I think it’s a perfect storm. I think the election is a good excuse because some of the push-back from customers is ‘well it’s an election year, this can happen’ but I respond saying ‘Well, this happens every four years’. My mortgage company didn’t tell me to stop making payments so I think it’s the perfect storm—all that PPP money is long gone; you’ve got less projects, you have housing that’s still lagging a little bit, interest rates are still high, and everyone is a little nervous not knowing what is going to happen (with the election) so they’re hanging on to their money; less projects means more competition, and everyone’s fighting for those jobs which drives prices down.”     

So, less money to pay bills, materials haven’t gone down, so slow money is still the topic just everywhere across the country. Everyone’s feeling it.

For more information, visit pocketprotectorsllc.com.

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John Wyatt is editor of Walls & Ceilings magazine, bringing more than two decades of experience with BNP Media. He joined the company in 2000 as an associate editor, contributing to both Walls & Ceilings and Roofing Contractor before assuming the role of editor in 2008. In addition to his work with the brand, Wyatt collaborates across BNP’s architecture, engineering and construction (A/E/C) portfolio, supporting related publications and initiatives. He can be reached at 248-205-6659 or wyattj@bnpmedia.com.
Author thea dudley
With more than 30-plus years of leadership experience in the roofing, insulation and LBM industry, Thea Dudley is a frequent contributor to numerous industry publications, a sought after speaker at industry events, podcasts and virtual learning. She can be reached at theadudley@charter.net.
Jill bloom

Jill Bloom is the innovative Executive Director of Roofing Contractor, Walls & Ceilings, Building Enclosure, Roofing Supply Pro, and the highly regarded Best of Success event. With a deep commitment to advancing the roofing, construction, and building enclosure industries, Jill oversees a robust portfolio of publications, podcasts, and events that empower professionals with knowledge, inspiration, and connections.

Her brands deliver exceptional value across multiple platforms, including:

  • Techos y Más, the Spanish-language newsletter of Roofing Contractor.
  • Safety Advisor, a newsletter focused on critical resources for jobsite safety.
  • Thermal Talk, a newsletter focused on insights and news for the insulation contractor.
  • eRock, a leading newsletter for drywall contractors.
  • The Enclosure Experts podcast, offering architects deep insights into building enclosure technologies.
  • If Walls Could Talk, a podcast dedicated to exploring trends and innovations for the wall and ceiling contractor.
  • The Best of Success Podcast, providing thought leadership and practical advice for roofing professionals.

Jill’s passion for professional development and fostering industry connections is exemplified by the Best of Success event, a premier gathering of contractors, suppliers, and thought leaders for unmatched education and networking.

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